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	<title>Comments on: Writing Excuses Season 3 Episode 21: Pitfalls of Self Publishing with Larry Correia</title>
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		<title>By: DRM or what? &#124; [lm]azy</title>
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		<dc:creator>DRM or what? &#124; [lm]azy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Clifton Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clifton Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting, thanks for sharing. I hadn&#039;t really been considering self-publishing and this certainly adds another reason or two to why I will pursue the traditional path...when that day comes (hopefully next year).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting, thanks for sharing. I hadn&#8217;t really been considering self-publishing and this certainly adds another reason or two to why I will pursue the traditional path&#8230;when that day comes (hopefully next year).</p>
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		<title>By: WEKM</title>
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		<dc:creator>WEKM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant writing stories about killing the actual President. Just bad taste. You can disagree with someone as much as you want but killing over politics is just silly.

However, killing a fictional president you make up, go for it! All sorts of conflict and controversy there.
Even Tom Clancy did it, and that President wasn&#039;t even a horrible one that you wanted to see offed. Makes for all kinds of turmoil.
Just remember, it really messes with the spirit and soul of a nation when their leader is killed. Be sure to incorporate that into your planning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant writing stories about killing the actual President. Just bad taste. You can disagree with someone as much as you want but killing over politics is just silly.</p>
<p>However, killing a fictional president you make up, go for it! All sorts of conflict and controversy there.<br />
Even Tom Clancy did it, and that President wasn&#8217;t even a horrible one that you wanted to see offed. Makes for all kinds of turmoil.<br />
Just remember, it really messes with the spirit and soul of a nation when their leader is killed. Be sure to incorporate that into your planning.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Barker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Barker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Matthew Whitehead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Whitehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Just don’t write one about killing the President. Not only is it in bad taste, it gets you on all sorts of lists that you REALLY don’t want to be on. ;)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hey, if Stephen King can do it, you can too! ;) You just have to make sure your president is fictional and completely disastrous so that people can sympathise with the idea that terrible means are necessary to stop them. Your protagonist also usually needs to be the only one in on some sort of dire conspiracy for that sort of plot, of course. Stephen King handled it by letting his protagonist have the unexplained ability to see the future, I believe.

In short: It&#039;s only in bad taste if you don&#039;t concoct a really good exception to the rules that would normally make it in bad taste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Just don’t write one about killing the President. Not only is it in bad taste, it gets you on all sorts of lists that you REALLY don’t want to be on. <img src='http://www.writingexcuses.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p></blockquote>
<p>Hey, if Stephen King can do it, you can too! <img src='http://www.writingexcuses.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  You just have to make sure your president is fictional and completely disastrous so that people can sympathise with the idea that terrible means are necessary to stop them. Your protagonist also usually needs to be the only one in on some sort of dire conspiracy for that sort of plot, of course. Stephen King handled it by letting his protagonist have the unexplained ability to see the future, I believe.</p>
<p>In short: It&#8217;s only in bad taste if you don&#8217;t concoct a really good exception to the rules that would normally make it in bad taste.</p>
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		<title>By: WEKM</title>
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		<dc:creator>WEKM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Matthew. I mean, come on, Dan published a series of books about a sociopath who gets worse with each book . And Dexter on TV is just as bad or worse.
There are books out there that cover any number of controversial subjects, rape, incest, murder,religion, (never not a controversy there, is there) war, politics, anything you can imagine.
Controversy is good in a book. It helps people open their minds when it is handled right. Or confirm their hopes or fears. Either way, &quot;Is good for you. Now eat your veggies.&quot;

Just don&#039;t write one about killing the President. Not only is it in bad taste, it gets you on all sorts of lists that you REALLY don&#039;t want to be on. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Matthew. I mean, come on, Dan published a series of books about a sociopath who gets worse with each book . And Dexter on TV is just as bad or worse.<br />
There are books out there that cover any number of controversial subjects, rape, incest, murder,religion, (never not a controversy there, is there) war, politics, anything you can imagine.<br />
Controversy is good in a book. It helps people open their minds when it is handled right. Or confirm their hopes or fears. Either way, &#8220;Is good for you. Now eat your veggies.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just don&#8217;t write one about killing the President. Not only is it in bad taste, it gets you on all sorts of lists that you REALLY don&#8217;t want to be on. <img src='http://www.writingexcuses.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Whitehead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Whitehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s merely the controversial issues as a form of sub-plot that I’m concerned about. They’re important in effect to the main plot, and it’s a subject I really want to tackle.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sounds like you shouldn&#039;t have anything to worry about if you&#039;ve handled your subject and your writing well, Jessica. :) If it ties in well with everything and you research it adequately to treat the subject with respect, only a fool would reject it for being controversial. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It’s merely the controversial issues as a form of sub-plot that I’m concerned about. They’re important in effect to the main plot, and it’s a subject I really want to tackle.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sounds like you shouldn&#8217;t have anything to worry about if you&#8217;ve handled your subject and your writing well, Jessica. <img src='http://www.writingexcuses.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  If it ties in well with everything and you research it adequately to treat the subject with respect, only a fool would reject it for being controversial. <img src='http://www.writingexcuses.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 21:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WEKM,

Wow.  THANK YOU for directing me to those, especially the bottom two links!  That&#039;s where my concern was, spot on.

I feel SO much better about things.  I&#039;m back at full confidence again, and I&#039;m really looking forward to traditional publishing.  (It&#039;s just that I have controversial subject matter, which is where I base most of my fears.)

The current project I&#039;m on is actually in its 12th phase, and it&#039;s a totally different story than when I started on it.  In that sense, it&#039;s been a killed darling 11 times because none of the ideas were good -- I thought they were good, but when I look back at them, they were ugly.  I&#039;ve hacked the living heck out of many really good scenes, too, without even looking twice at them once I realized they didn&#039;t fit.  So, I guess in essence, it could be summed up to 12 different stories.  I have no ambition to change tracks; it&#039;s only that I&#039;ve become objective enough through all those re-writes.  I&#039;m not &quot;attached&quot; in the form of Mary Sue-ism or anything like that.  It&#039;s merely the controversial issues as a form of sub-plot that I&#039;m concerned about.  They&#039;re important in effect to the main plot, and it&#039;s a subject I really want to tackle.

That reminds me.  They should totally do a podcast on story length (word count, number of pages, etc.).  That&#039;s one I would like to hear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WEKM,</p>
<p>Wow.  THANK YOU for directing me to those, especially the bottom two links!  That&#8217;s where my concern was, spot on.</p>
<p>I feel SO much better about things.  I&#8217;m back at full confidence again, and I&#8217;m really looking forward to traditional publishing.  (It&#8217;s just that I have controversial subject matter, which is where I base most of my fears.)</p>
<p>The current project I&#8217;m on is actually in its 12th phase, and it&#8217;s a totally different story than when I started on it.  In that sense, it&#8217;s been a killed darling 11 times because none of the ideas were good &#8212; I thought they were good, but when I look back at them, they were ugly.  I&#8217;ve hacked the living heck out of many really good scenes, too, without even looking twice at them once I realized they didn&#8217;t fit.  So, I guess in essence, it could be summed up to 12 different stories.  I have no ambition to change tracks; it&#8217;s only that I&#8217;ve become objective enough through all those re-writes.  I&#8217;m not &#8220;attached&#8221; in the form of Mary Sue-ism or anything like that.  It&#8217;s merely the controversial issues as a form of sub-plot that I&#8217;m concerned about.  They&#8217;re important in effect to the main plot, and it&#8217;s a subject I really want to tackle.</p>
<p>That reminds me.  They should totally do a podcast on story length (word count, number of pages, etc.).  That&#8217;s one I would like to hear.</p>
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		<title>By: WEKM</title>
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		<dc:creator>WEKM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 16:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jessica: 
I will refer you back season one Episode 3 &quot;Killing Your Darlings&quot;.
http://www.writingexcuses.com/2008/02/24/writing-excuses-episode-4-killing-your-darlings/

I stopped my first project for the very reasons you are talking about and have gone on to work on improving my craft because of the lessons of that podcast.
One day I may revisit my dream project, but I have had so many other wonderful ideas since and have grown quite a bit as a writer because of learning to let go.
The publishers try and get you to make the changes they do BECAUSE it will make your story or book better. They want to get people to read what they publish and come back for more.
Really, is that a bad thing?
I would also refer you to the episodes on publishing and editing. 
http://www.writingexcuses.com/2008/09/02/writing-excuses-episode-30-talking-revision-with-moshe-feder/

http://www.writingexcuses.com/2008/08/24/writing-excuses-episode-29-talking-publishing-with-lou-anders/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jessica:<br />
I will refer you back season one Episode 3 &#8220;Killing Your Darlings&#8221;.<br />
<a href="http://www.writingexcuses.com/2008/02/24/writing-excuses-episode-4-killing-your-darlings/" rel="nofollow">http://www.writingexcuses.com/2008/02/24/writing-excuses-episode-4-killing-your-darlings/</a></p>
<p>I stopped my first project for the very reasons you are talking about and have gone on to work on improving my craft because of the lessons of that podcast.<br />
One day I may revisit my dream project, but I have had so many other wonderful ideas since and have grown quite a bit as a writer because of learning to let go.<br />
The publishers try and get you to make the changes they do BECAUSE it will make your story or book better. They want to get people to read what they publish and come back for more.<br />
Really, is that a bad thing?<br />
I would also refer you to the episodes on publishing and editing.<br />
<a href="http://www.writingexcuses.com/2008/09/02/writing-excuses-episode-30-talking-revision-with-moshe-feder/" rel="nofollow">http://www.writingexcuses.com/2008/09/02/writing-excuses-episode-30-talking-revision-with-moshe-feder/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.writingexcuses.com/2008/08/24/writing-excuses-episode-29-talking-publishing-with-lou-anders/" rel="nofollow">http://www.writingexcuses.com/2008/08/24/writing-excuses-episode-29-talking-publishing-with-lou-anders/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m daunted, really, to the point where I all 8 years of my writing has been halted dead after listening to this podcast.  I feel as though it&#039;s wasted effort.  How can an author not hold on so tightly to their own work?  How can they be at all content?  I realized all of this long before I listened, but for some reason, it sent me right into a funk.

The primary reason I wish to self-publish is that I can avoid the publishing house&#039;s content editor and art direction.  I&#039;ve based a LOT of what I write on characters I have created through artistic means, and it would be horrifying--downright appalling like the death of a family member--to have a weird, malformed, misidentified character on the cover that does not AT ALL represent the one the story was based off of.  This would crash the vision I had for this project, and would be the death of me (figure of speech).

Writing should not be limited to &quot;writing.&quot;  Art should not be limited to &quot;art.&quot;  Why can&#039;t an artist create a whole vision that is acceptable to a publishing house?  Why can&#039;t they honor the two as a whole unit from one person?

Are there any traditional publishing houses that exist, that fully honor creative expression at all?  That won&#039;t chop up and hack away precious writing that ISN&#039;T filler?  I mean, are their content editors in publishing houses that actually respect the whole writing, and only edit content if it&#039;s something vital like a glaring plot hole?  Do traditional publishing houses let authors communicate with in-house art directors?  How much leeway do they give to authors regarding any of this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m daunted, really, to the point where I all 8 years of my writing has been halted dead after listening to this podcast.  I feel as though it&#8217;s wasted effort.  How can an author not hold on so tightly to their own work?  How can they be at all content?  I realized all of this long before I listened, but for some reason, it sent me right into a funk.</p>
<p>The primary reason I wish to self-publish is that I can avoid the publishing house&#8217;s content editor and art direction.  I&#8217;ve based a LOT of what I write on characters I have created through artistic means, and it would be horrifying&#8211;downright appalling like the death of a family member&#8211;to have a weird, malformed, misidentified character on the cover that does not AT ALL represent the one the story was based off of.  This would crash the vision I had for this project, and would be the death of me (figure of speech).</p>
<p>Writing should not be limited to &#8220;writing.&#8221;  Art should not be limited to &#8220;art.&#8221;  Why can&#8217;t an artist create a whole vision that is acceptable to a publishing house?  Why can&#8217;t they honor the two as a whole unit from one person?</p>
<p>Are there any traditional publishing houses that exist, that fully honor creative expression at all?  That won&#8217;t chop up and hack away precious writing that ISN&#8217;T filler?  I mean, are their content editors in publishing houses that actually respect the whole writing, and only edit content if it&#8217;s something vital like a glaring plot hole?  Do traditional publishing houses let authors communicate with in-house art directors?  How much leeway do they give to authors regarding any of this?</p>
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