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	<title>Comments on: Writing Excuses Season 3 Episode 20: Plot- vs. Character-Driven Fiction</title>
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		<title>By: The Imaginary War: Plot- vs. Character-Driven Story Development (Part I) &#171; Seven &#38; a Half First Drafts</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Imaginary War: Plot- vs. Character-Driven Story Development (Part I) &#171; Seven &#38; a Half First Drafts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2011 20:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] lastly, here is a really excellent podcast discussion on the matter, brought to you by Writing Excuses.  (If you only look at one of these links, then check this one out.  It really is an interesting [...]</description>
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		<title>By: John :hilip Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John :hilip Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2011 18:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Westwriter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Westwriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 07:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone here have trouble blending character (POV, idiosyncrasies, habits, etc.) into plot smoothly?  Do you guys have any suggestions or a method on how to do it effectively?

I&#039;m having trouble with this.  I like to write extremely plot-driven, and when I try to force character elements into a scene, it just seems awkward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone here have trouble blending character (POV, idiosyncrasies, habits, etc.) into plot smoothly?  Do you guys have any suggestions or a method on how to do it effectively?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m having trouble with this.  I like to write extremely plot-driven, and when I try to force character elements into a scene, it just seems awkward.</p>
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		<title>By: Justice1337</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justice1337</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 06:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that character-driven v. plot-driven fiction is a sub-issue to the broader category of conflict types.  But I do agree that character v. plot is probably the murkiest issue in that category.

I think that there are a lot of things that a reader/listener/viewer can look to in deciding whether a story is character or plot.  The ending, climax, contiguity, etc.  But these aren&#039;t really helpful as much from a writing standpoint because you shouldn&#039;t be writing stories as a slave to a particular king of ending, etc.

What&#039;s useful to me to ask myself when writing is how I intend the reader to Experience the story.  Do I want them to be wondering what happens next or wondering how the character is reacting to what he or she is seeing?  Maybe I just want them to be caught up in wonder or to wish they were the main character.

The best example of Sci-Fi character based fiction for me is The Matrix.  You know only what Neo knows at any given time, you&#039;re wondering what&#039;s going to happen to him next and you&#039;re caught up in the coolness of who Neo is.  You even see the blurry world through his eyes at some points, which is really rare for Film.  Other examples I think include basically the entire Romance genre.  Unless you feel what the character is feeling, there&#039;s no point.  It&#039;s basically what carried Twilight through the dearth of all other literary aspects.  Fantasy I wouldn&#039;t expect to get much of anything character based because of the long history of multiple viewpoints and the simple fact that everything is so foreign in High Fantasy that there might be very few characters that we can pour ourselves into, so to speak.

Another good example of a character based Sci-Fi in my opinion is Ender&#039;s Game.  You really just want the experience of being a genius kid.  But this one might be confusing to analyze because it has an event-style ending.  I&#039;m going to go out there though and say that this is probably because the author didn&#039;t know how to write a character based ending at that point, and he simply defaulted back into a &quot;big reveal&quot;, plot-solver event that was so common to short story sci-fi of the time.  Of course, the seeds needed to be spread throughout the story to support that, and the story focused on the Bugger war thing, but a different story with genius kid who just tells his instructors to shove it at the end would&#039;ve stood well enough on its own, I think.  Rambling.     Bye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that character-driven v. plot-driven fiction is a sub-issue to the broader category of conflict types.  But I do agree that character v. plot is probably the murkiest issue in that category.</p>
<p>I think that there are a lot of things that a reader/listener/viewer can look to in deciding whether a story is character or plot.  The ending, climax, contiguity, etc.  But these aren&#8217;t really helpful as much from a writing standpoint because you shouldn&#8217;t be writing stories as a slave to a particular king of ending, etc.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s useful to me to ask myself when writing is how I intend the reader to Experience the story.  Do I want them to be wondering what happens next or wondering how the character is reacting to what he or she is seeing?  Maybe I just want them to be caught up in wonder or to wish they were the main character.</p>
<p>The best example of Sci-Fi character based fiction for me is The Matrix.  You know only what Neo knows at any given time, you&#8217;re wondering what&#8217;s going to happen to him next and you&#8217;re caught up in the coolness of who Neo is.  You even see the blurry world through his eyes at some points, which is really rare for Film.  Other examples I think include basically the entire Romance genre.  Unless you feel what the character is feeling, there&#8217;s no point.  It&#8217;s basically what carried Twilight through the dearth of all other literary aspects.  Fantasy I wouldn&#8217;t expect to get much of anything character based because of the long history of multiple viewpoints and the simple fact that everything is so foreign in High Fantasy that there might be very few characters that we can pour ourselves into, so to speak.</p>
<p>Another good example of a character based Sci-Fi in my opinion is Ender&#8217;s Game.  You really just want the experience of being a genius kid.  But this one might be confusing to analyze because it has an event-style ending.  I&#8217;m going to go out there though and say that this is probably because the author didn&#8217;t know how to write a character based ending at that point, and he simply defaulted back into a &#8220;big reveal&#8221;, plot-solver event that was so common to short story sci-fi of the time.  Of course, the seeds needed to be spread throughout the story to support that, and the story focused on the Bugger war thing, but a different story with genius kid who just tells his instructors to shove it at the end would&#8217;ve stood well enough on its own, I think.  Rambling.     Bye.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Barker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Barker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>delayed, but a transcript...

http://mbarker.livejournal.com/126439.html</description>
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		<title>By: Preston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love the podcast, although my co-workers (who have no interest in writing...or reading) are sick to death of listening to Writing Excuses when I&#039;m in the office.

I began reading Stephen King&#039;s &quot;On Writing&quot; four years ago.  When I got to the assignment part, I labored for two days to complete it.  I went to King&#039;s official site to submit it and had to search a while before I found a FAQ asking where to send the assignment.  The reply was rude, stating that &quot;Mr. King&quot; didn&#039;t actually think anybody would do the assignment and that he doesn&#039;t accept them (contrary to what he stated in his book) and he was too busy writing best-sellers and we were losers for paying money to feed his ego (well, something like that).  I was furious. I stopped reading On Writing and never read another word of his work.

After listening to your podcast, I decided to give the book another shot and I&#039;m glad I did.  Like most developing writers, I assume, I have spent hundreds of dollars on books on writing, but have found all but two or three of them to be the same information inside different covers.  King&#039;s book is refreshing to those of us who need a kick in the pants and motivation to put the pen to paper.  Side Note: Out of curiosity, I checked the FAQ section on King&#039;s site and the assignment question now has an answer worded much more politely.

Thanks and keep up the great work!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the podcast, although my co-workers (who have no interest in writing&#8230;or reading) are sick to death of listening to Writing Excuses when I&#8217;m in the office.</p>
<p>I began reading Stephen King&#8217;s &#8220;On Writing&#8221; four years ago.  When I got to the assignment part, I labored for two days to complete it.  I went to King&#8217;s official site to submit it and had to search a while before I found a FAQ asking where to send the assignment.  The reply was rude, stating that &#8220;Mr. King&#8221; didn&#8217;t actually think anybody would do the assignment and that he doesn&#8217;t accept them (contrary to what he stated in his book) and he was too busy writing best-sellers and we were losers for paying money to feed his ego (well, something like that).  I was furious. I stopped reading On Writing and never read another word of his work.</p>
<p>After listening to your podcast, I decided to give the book another shot and I&#8217;m glad I did.  Like most developing writers, I assume, I have spent hundreds of dollars on books on writing, but have found all but two or three of them to be the same information inside different covers.  King&#8217;s book is refreshing to those of us who need a kick in the pants and motivation to put the pen to paper.  Side Note: Out of curiosity, I checked the FAQ section on King&#8217;s site and the assignment question now has an answer worded much more politely.</p>
<p>Thanks and keep up the great work!!!</p>
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		<title>By: J. Rawlins</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Rawlins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 01:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Call me a complete amateur, because I am, but I had never even thought of the distinction between these two styles. Well, that clears up a lot of problems I&#039;ve had. Thanks guys!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call me a complete amateur, because I am, but I had never even thought of the distinction between these two styles. Well, that clears up a lot of problems I&#8217;ve had. Thanks guys!</p>
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		<title>By: MCluff</title>
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		<dc:creator>MCluff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>O.S. Card calls the &quot;setting-driven&quot; stories &quot;Milieu&quot; stories--stories that are about the world; the characters just supplement the reader&#039;s understanding of that world/universe. 

I would have to agree that WoT is definitely plot driven, by book seven all of the characters and scenery get swallowed by the massive amount of sub-plots.

I am a first-time listener and enjoyed the podcast. I liked the digs at Lit courses...

Howard and Brandon, I look forward to hearing more in person at LTUE in Feb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O.S. Card calls the &#8220;setting-driven&#8221; stories &#8220;Milieu&#8221; stories&#8211;stories that are about the world; the characters just supplement the reader&#8217;s understanding of that world/universe. </p>
<p>I would have to agree that WoT is definitely plot driven, by book seven all of the characters and scenery get swallowed by the massive amount of sub-plots.</p>
<p>I am a first-time listener and enjoyed the podcast. I liked the digs at Lit courses&#8230;</p>
<p>Howard and Brandon, I look forward to hearing more in person at LTUE in Feb.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Whitehead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Whitehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always thought of WoT as incredibly plot-driven, personally. If I&#039;d apply the term &quot;setting-driven&quot; to anything, it would be books like Lord of the Rings which have oceans full of backstory that you could just drown in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always thought of WoT as incredibly plot-driven, personally. If I&#8217;d apply the term &#8220;setting-driven&#8221; to anything, it would be books like Lord of the Rings which have oceans full of backstory that you could just drown in.</p>
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		<title>By: AlanHorne</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlanHorne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And don&#039;t forget setting-driven stories, either.  Sometimes the most engaging part of the story is the world or time that it takes place in.  The Wheel of Time is certainly an example of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And don&#8217;t forget setting-driven stories, either.  Sometimes the most engaging part of the story is the world or time that it takes place in.  The Wheel of Time is certainly an example of that.</p>
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