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	<title>Comments on: Writing Excuses Season 2 Episode 21: Fight Scenes</title>
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		<title>By: Carnival of Creativity 1/22/2012 &#124; The Writing Reader</title>
		<link>http://www.writingexcuses.com/2009/03/01/writing-excuses-season-2-episode-21-fight-scenes/comment-page-1/#comment-43798</link>
		<dc:creator>Carnival of Creativity 1/22/2012 &#124; The Writing Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 11:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Yep, still talking flora and fauna over at Writing Excuses, and it&#8217;s well worth the listen. If you&#8217;re not writing sci fi or fantasy, however, take a listen to this podcast from the archives about how to write fight scenes. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Yep, still talking flora and fauna over at Writing Excuses, and it&#8217;s well worth the listen. If you&#8217;re not writing sci fi or fantasy, however, take a listen to this podcast from the archives about how to write fight scenes. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
		<link>http://www.writingexcuses.com/2009/03/01/writing-excuses-season-2-episode-21-fight-scenes/comment-page-1/#comment-43727</link>
		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 07:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like I&#039;ve been writing my fight scenes wrong for the longest time. they are almost always blow by blow and given that I&#039;m using mystic martial arts very drawn out.  However I&#039;m going to have to check out that &quot;Dune&quot; fight scene you mentioned, as it might be a good spring board for my re-writes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like I&#8217;ve been writing my fight scenes wrong for the longest time. they are almost always blow by blow and given that I&#8217;m using mystic martial arts very drawn out.  However I&#8217;m going to have to check out that &#8220;Dune&#8221; fight scene you mentioned, as it might be a good spring board for my re-writes.</p>
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		<title>By: Writing Excuses and Other Podcastery &#124; Robison Wells</title>
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		<dc:creator>Writing Excuses and Other Podcastery &#124; Robison Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 00:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been on the show a few times in the past, talking twice about marketing (here and here), once about fight scenes, and one other time that I can&#8217;t remember what we talked about (I [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Action &#171; Urban Phantasy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Action &#171; Urban Phantasy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 18:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] folks over at Writing Excuses did an episode on this topic a while back which I [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
		<link>http://www.writingexcuses.com/2009/03/01/writing-excuses-season-2-episode-21-fight-scenes/comment-page-1/#comment-34577</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 09:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Samuel X: yes, I also thought of the scene in &quot;Horse and His Boy&quot; as a good example of what the guys were talking about; also, I have to mention Lewis&#039; &quot;Perelandra&quot; when Ransom fights with the possessed Weston. Definitely a fight between two who weren&#039;t used to fighting - &quot;two elderly professors,&quot; I think he says.

Guys, I enjoyed the cast as always, thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Samuel X: yes, I also thought of the scene in &#8220;Horse and His Boy&#8221; as a good example of what the guys were talking about; also, I have to mention Lewis&#8217; &#8220;Perelandra&#8221; when Ransom fights with the possessed Weston. Definitely a fight between two who weren&#8217;t used to fighting &#8211; &#8220;two elderly professors,&#8221; I think he says.</p>
<p>Guys, I enjoyed the cast as always, thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Andreas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andreas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 13:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ readerMom:

&quot;How does writing a physical fight scene differ from a vehicle/space fighter battle scene? I was just thinking about David Weber as I listened because he writes space battles that I can understand and follow, rather than just ships flying around and shooting at each other.&quot;

First of all I think Weber may not be the best example of a ... &#039;typical&#039; space battle scene. His setting allows him time to tighten the pace or relax it whenever it suits him, dwell on the physical aspects of the battle or concentrate on the characters, given that his space battles are often like a long-range artillery duell would be in the real world (or so I would think).

Second, if you see space battles as ship flying around and shooting at each other I think you are missing the point - or at least a writing opportunity. It&#039;s not ships that shoot at each other - it&#039;s people piloting those ships. 

So I would say there is not much of a difference, regardless of what tools the characters employ, be it fists, broken bottles, guns, or starfighters. In the end it all has to be about what the people in the story do. Everything else is just window dressing.

Not much difference - storywise - between a punch on the nose and a proton torpedo ripping into an enemy starfighter. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ readerMom:</p>
<p>&#8220;How does writing a physical fight scene differ from a vehicle/space fighter battle scene? I was just thinking about David Weber as I listened because he writes space battles that I can understand and follow, rather than just ships flying around and shooting at each other.&#8221;</p>
<p>First of all I think Weber may not be the best example of a &#8230; &#8216;typical&#8217; space battle scene. His setting allows him time to tighten the pace or relax it whenever it suits him, dwell on the physical aspects of the battle or concentrate on the characters, given that his space battles are often like a long-range artillery duell would be in the real world (or so I would think).</p>
<p>Second, if you see space battles as ship flying around and shooting at each other I think you are missing the point &#8211; or at least a writing opportunity. It&#8217;s not ships that shoot at each other &#8211; it&#8217;s people piloting those ships. </p>
<p>So I would say there is not much of a difference, regardless of what tools the characters employ, be it fists, broken bottles, guns, or starfighters. In the end it all has to be about what the people in the story do. Everything else is just window dressing.</p>
<p>Not much difference &#8211; storywise &#8211; between a punch on the nose and a proton torpedo ripping into an enemy starfighter. <img src='http://www.writingexcuses.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Andreas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andreas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 09:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting podcast - as always. :)

One thought going through my head right now is &quot;write your fight scenes to serve a purpose in your story&quot;. That is, tailor your fights so that at the end of it there will be consequences for the protagonist, and there will be consequences for the story to deal with. 

I think what those consequences will be should play a role in how abstract you write a fight scene. If you want to make a point that the forces of evil have overwhelming strength you can just eradicate an army in a very abstract way. But if you want to have your protagonist deal with the consequences of his first act of violence, or something equally personal, you have to be prepared to go into more details. Perhaps not in the actual fight, but in flashbacks or other ways that reference the violence in some detail.

Oh, and when it comes to skilled, well-trained fighters, I think taking a cue from Hollywood screenplays might not be such a bad thing. What often happens in action movies is that the protagonist faces a horde of &#039;mooks&#039; he dispatches with relative ease, just so the viewer knows that our hero really is a good fighter. That can be accomplished easily in a story with a simple sentence like &quot;ten seconds later three man lay on the floor, groaning in pain&quot;, or something along those lines. Same for &#039;action horror&#039;, e.g. a vampire or werewolf throwing people around like ragdolls.
Perhaps trying to translate a movie script to a novel blow-by-blow ain&#039;t such a good idea, but I think the timing and pacing of a movie scene can provide some inspiration for structuring the action of a fight scene in a novel.

One last thought, before I end my rambling: Usually I am a friend of long sentences, perhaps more so than I should be. But when I write action scenes I often make a conscious effort to keep my sentences short and simple. 

Short paragraphs. 

Less commas. 

Fast-paced writing for fast-paced action. 

Has anyone else here experimented with style changes for action scenes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting podcast &#8211; as always. <img src='http://www.writingexcuses.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>One thought going through my head right now is &#8220;write your fight scenes to serve a purpose in your story&#8221;. That is, tailor your fights so that at the end of it there will be consequences for the protagonist, and there will be consequences for the story to deal with. </p>
<p>I think what those consequences will be should play a role in how abstract you write a fight scene. If you want to make a point that the forces of evil have overwhelming strength you can just eradicate an army in a very abstract way. But if you want to have your protagonist deal with the consequences of his first act of violence, or something equally personal, you have to be prepared to go into more details. Perhaps not in the actual fight, but in flashbacks or other ways that reference the violence in some detail.</p>
<p>Oh, and when it comes to skilled, well-trained fighters, I think taking a cue from Hollywood screenplays might not be such a bad thing. What often happens in action movies is that the protagonist faces a horde of &#8216;mooks&#8217; he dispatches with relative ease, just so the viewer knows that our hero really is a good fighter. That can be accomplished easily in a story with a simple sentence like &#8220;ten seconds later three man lay on the floor, groaning in pain&#8221;, or something along those lines. Same for &#8216;action horror&#8217;, e.g. a vampire or werewolf throwing people around like ragdolls.<br />
Perhaps trying to translate a movie script to a novel blow-by-blow ain&#8217;t such a good idea, but I think the timing and pacing of a movie scene can provide some inspiration for structuring the action of a fight scene in a novel.</p>
<p>One last thought, before I end my rambling: Usually I am a friend of long sentences, perhaps more so than I should be. But when I write action scenes I often make a conscious effort to keep my sentences short and simple. </p>
<p>Short paragraphs. </p>
<p>Less commas. </p>
<p>Fast-paced writing for fast-paced action. </p>
<p>Has anyone else here experimented with style changes for action scenes?</p>
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		<title>By: Rafael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rafael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 16:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Long time listener, first time commenter. Great show. My current project is all about the fight scenes so I decided to post my extended comments on my block, breaking down the elements of a fight scene. Hope it adds to the discussion.

To the Battlefield: How to Handle Fight Scenes P1

http://thewonderingswordsman.wordpress.com/2009/03/07/to-the-battlefield/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long time listener, first time commenter. Great show. My current project is all about the fight scenes so I decided to post my extended comments on my block, breaking down the elements of a fight scene. Hope it adds to the discussion.</p>
<p>To the Battlefield: How to Handle Fight Scenes P1</p>
<p><a href="http://thewonderingswordsman.wordpress.com/2009/03/07/to-the-battlefield/" rel="nofollow">http://thewonderingswordsman.wordpress.com/2009/03/07/to-the-battlefield/</a></p>
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		<title>By: To the Battlefield: How to Handle Fight Scenes P1 &#171; Sturm und Drang</title>
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		<dc:creator>To the Battlefield: How to Handle Fight Scenes P1 &#171; Sturm und Drang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 15:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] post expands on a recent Writing Excuses podcast on fight scenes. This is my take on the subject which I think deserves a bit more attemtion than just fifteen [...]</description>
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		<title>By: S.M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>S.M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 20:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol whoops. I guess I just didn&#039;t look hard enough for my previous post...sorry for the double post.

Ah good, a definition of blocking! That really confused me too. Towards the middle of the &#039;cast I figured out the general gist of what it meant, but thanks for the definition Raethe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol whoops. I guess I just didn&#8217;t look hard enough for my previous post&#8230;sorry for the double post.</p>
<p>Ah good, a definition of blocking! That really confused me too. Towards the middle of the &#8216;cast I figured out the general gist of what it meant, but thanks for the definition Raethe.</p>
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