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	<title>Comments on: Writing Excuses Season 2 Episode 13: Violence</title>
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		<title>By: [INFP] When was the last time you cried, and why?</title>
		<link>http://www.writingexcuses.com/2009/01/04/writing-excuses-season-2-episode-13-violence/comment-page-1/#comment-42396</link>
		<dc:creator>[INFP] When was the last time you cried, and why?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2011 00:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was listening to this podcast and thinking about some of the things I&#039;ve done to my characters in my book and my mind-blew and I [...]</description>
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		<title>By: William Greeley</title>
		<link>http://www.writingexcuses.com/2009/01/04/writing-excuses-season-2-episode-13-violence/comment-page-1/#comment-41956</link>
		<dc:creator>William Greeley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 02:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brandon unintentionally said something quite witty when he noted that there are two books called Doppelganger.</description>
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		<title>By: Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.writingexcuses.com/2009/01/04/writing-excuses-season-2-episode-13-violence/comment-page-1/#comment-41826</link>
		<dc:creator>Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 15:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, we&#039;re in the same boat here. But I&#039;ve got a lot more to listen to!

I haven&#039;t found much violence in my own writing. I mean, I had a torture scene in my second novel, but that got deleted because of certain plot reasons. But the violence was kept down to a minimum.

I am a very clean writer overall. I don&#039;t like the fountains-of-blood writing. Just stuff like &quot;The sword was embedded in him to the hilt, protruding from his back. He fell with a sigh.&quot;

That&#039;s as far as I go. No gore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, we&#8217;re in the same boat here. But I&#8217;ve got a lot more to listen to!</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t found much violence in my own writing. I mean, I had a torture scene in my second novel, but that got deleted because of certain plot reasons. But the violence was kept down to a minimum.</p>
<p>I am a very clean writer overall. I don&#8217;t like the fountains-of-blood writing. Just stuff like &#8220;The sword was embedded in him to the hilt, protruding from his back. He fell with a sigh.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s as far as I go. No gore.</p>
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		<title>By: tim simmons</title>
		<link>http://www.writingexcuses.com/2009/01/04/writing-excuses-season-2-episode-13-violence/comment-page-1/#comment-38385</link>
		<dc:creator>tim simmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 18:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for the late post.  I just got into this podcast a few months ago, and I&#039;ve been going back and listening to the archives.  

As always, thanks for the great discussions, but I really have to disagree with The Matrix example.  The thing that has always stood out to me about this scene is its uniqueness.  

The trope of the good guys being remorseful for killing, while necessary, is obviously used a LOT.  I found it a nice change of pace that the writers were able to use the story as a way to logically subvert the trope in this scene.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the late post.  I just got into this podcast a few months ago, and I&#8217;ve been going back and listening to the archives.  </p>
<p>As always, thanks for the great discussions, but I really have to disagree with The Matrix example.  The thing that has always stood out to me about this scene is its uniqueness.  </p>
<p>The trope of the good guys being remorseful for killing, while necessary, is obviously used a LOT.  I found it a nice change of pace that the writers were able to use the story as a way to logically subvert the trope in this scene.</p>
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		<title>By: anonomous</title>
		<link>http://www.writingexcuses.com/2009/01/04/writing-excuses-season-2-episode-13-violence/comment-page-1/#comment-35353</link>
		<dc:creator>anonomous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 12:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a coincidence, I&#039;m currently in the middle of writing a fanfic that starts off with a rape scene and then spends most of the rest of the fic of the victim dealing with the consequences. Given the writing prompt for this one, I&#039;m tempted to post a copy here once I finish my university assignments and get back to finishing it.

Given that the fanfic is a crossover between Bleach and Fate/Stay Night, it&#039;s bound to have a fair bit of non-sexual violence, as well, partially as a consequence to the aforementioned rape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a coincidence, I&#8217;m currently in the middle of writing a fanfic that starts off with a rape scene and then spends most of the rest of the fic of the victim dealing with the consequences. Given the writing prompt for this one, I&#8217;m tempted to post a copy here once I finish my university assignments and get back to finishing it.</p>
<p>Given that the fanfic is a crossover between Bleach and Fate/Stay Night, it&#8217;s bound to have a fair bit of non-sexual violence, as well, partially as a consequence to the aforementioned rape.</p>
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		<title>By: whome</title>
		<link>http://www.writingexcuses.com/2009/01/04/writing-excuses-season-2-episode-13-violence/comment-page-1/#comment-29029</link>
		<dc:creator>whome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Francois Truffaut quote (“It is impossible to make a true anti-war film, because the act of looking at violence is inherently exciting.”) brought to mind a particular book, &quot;The Thief&quot; by Megan W. Turner.  She put a character who detested swordplay and violence into a situation that required him to be very violent.  The entire scene was missing from the book.  The narrative went straight to the consequences.  I thought it was particularly effective that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Francois Truffaut quote (“It is impossible to make a true anti-war film, because the act of looking at violence is inherently exciting.”) brought to mind a particular book, &#8220;The Thief&#8221; by Megan W. Turner.  She put a character who detested swordplay and violence into a situation that required him to be very violent.  The entire scene was missing from the book.  The narrative went straight to the consequences.  I thought it was particularly effective that way.</p>
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		<title>By: LRK</title>
		<link>http://www.writingexcuses.com/2009/01/04/writing-excuses-season-2-episode-13-violence/comment-page-1/#comment-28858</link>
		<dc:creator>LRK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 02:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh dear! But to say so much and no more... I am now, obviously, horribly curious...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear! But to say so much and no more&#8230; I am now, obviously, horribly curious&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: J. Lancaster</title>
		<link>http://www.writingexcuses.com/2009/01/04/writing-excuses-season-2-episode-13-violence/comment-page-1/#comment-28704</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Lancaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven’t read these comments in their entirety, but I don’t know if anyone ever mentioned “Heart of Darkness” by Joseph Conrad, a small “case study” in evil that perpetuates European Imperialism in the Congo of Africa during the 19th century. Not only is this novella a case study in evil, but also a study of the potential for any human heart to turn immensely dark and barbarically violent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven’t read these comments in their entirety, but I don’t know if anyone ever mentioned “Heart of Darkness” by Joseph Conrad, a small “case study” in evil that perpetuates European Imperialism in the Congo of Africa during the 19th century. Not only is this novella a case study in evil, but also a study of the potential for any human heart to turn immensely dark and barbarically violent.</p>
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		<title>By: John Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.writingexcuses.com/2009/01/04/writing-excuses-season-2-episode-13-violence/comment-page-1/#comment-28492</link>
		<dc:creator>John Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 21:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; I understand - but it’s nice to know that the scene is - er - authentic&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Alas, there&#039;s another aspect of the battles in LOTR that Jackson really did muff. But I&#039;m not going to spoil the battles for those who don&#039;t know. Nevertheless, it blows the effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> I understand &#8211; but it’s nice to know that the scene is &#8211; er &#8211; authentic</p></blockquote>
<p>Alas, there&#8217;s another aspect of the battles in LOTR that Jackson really did muff. But I&#8217;m not going to spoil the battles for those who don&#8217;t know. Nevertheless, it blows the effect.</p>
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		<title>By: LRK</title>
		<link>http://www.writingexcuses.com/2009/01/04/writing-excuses-season-2-episode-13-violence/comment-page-1/#comment-28218</link>
		<dc:creator>LRK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Musings &amp; Rambling Thoughts

I&#039;ve been wondering about authors who have seen war first hand - like J R R Tolkien, C S Lewis, Lloyd Alexander, Robert Jordan and David Drake for instance - and how their treatment of violence/consequence might have been affected by their experiences.  How is their writing affected by it? How might their treatment of the subject differ from those who have no such experiences? It was something David Drake wrote (I think in one of his newsletters, but I might misremember) that started me thinking about it. Are there apparent differences - may there be something lacking when the author has no own knowledge of violence? And if so - how may it appear?

I&#039;ve read descriptions that seem - awkward. As if the author was describing - too much. (This is more a feeling than a conviction arrived at by reasoning, by the way.) And I don&#039;t mean it was graphic. (Although I don&#039;t mind confessing I&#039;m squeemish.) Rather it lacked - flow. It was clunky.

And I don&#039;t mean the lack of - technical knowledge either. Although one of my favourite anecdotes from the extended LOTR-dvds was from the Saruman death-scene. Peter Jackson was describing how he saw the scene to Christopher Lee, who interrupted him to ask if he actually knew how it sounded when you stabbed someone in the back. Peter Jackson said that he did not. &quot;I do&quot; said Christopher Lee, and it wasn&#039;t like that... (Some WWII experience, I understand - but it&#039;s nice to know that the scene is - er - authentic...)</description>
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<p>I&#8217;ve been wondering about authors who have seen war first hand &#8211; like J R R Tolkien, C S Lewis, Lloyd Alexander, Robert Jordan and David Drake for instance &#8211; and how their treatment of violence/consequence might have been affected by their experiences.  How is their writing affected by it? How might their treatment of the subject differ from those who have no such experiences? It was something David Drake wrote (I think in one of his newsletters, but I might misremember) that started me thinking about it. Are there apparent differences &#8211; may there be something lacking when the author has no own knowledge of violence? And if so &#8211; how may it appear?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read descriptions that seem &#8211; awkward. As if the author was describing &#8211; too much. (This is more a feeling than a conviction arrived at by reasoning, by the way.) And I don&#8217;t mean it was graphic. (Although I don&#8217;t mind confessing I&#8217;m squeemish.) Rather it lacked &#8211; flow. It was clunky.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t mean the lack of &#8211; technical knowledge either. Although one of my favourite anecdotes from the extended LOTR-dvds was from the Saruman death-scene. Peter Jackson was describing how he saw the scene to Christopher Lee, who interrupted him to ask if he actually knew how it sounded when you stabbed someone in the back. Peter Jackson said that he did not. &#8220;I do&#8221; said Christopher Lee, and it wasn&#8217;t like that&#8230; (Some WWII experience, I understand &#8211; but it&#8217;s nice to know that the scene is &#8211; er &#8211; authentic&#8230;)</p>
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