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	<title>Comments on: Writing Excuses Season 2 Episode 9: Romance, with Dave Wolverton</title>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 04:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a question for the Podcasters and the audience.
My female protagonist falls into the &#039;Warrior Woman&#039; archetype, tall, strong, martially capable and mind-numbingly beautiful.   Usually sure of herself, enjoys men but doesn&#039;t fall for them, and almost always go for the strong, stupid, and easily manipulated with sex type of man.
Now... how do you justify her falling head-over-heals for her short and geeky, but honorable, chem partner?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a question for the Podcasters and the audience.<br />
My female protagonist falls into the &#8216;Warrior Woman&#8217; archetype, tall, strong, martially capable and mind-numbingly beautiful.   Usually sure of herself, enjoys men but doesn&#8217;t fall for them, and almost always go for the strong, stupid, and easily manipulated with sex type of man.<br />
Now&#8230; how do you justify her falling head-over-heals for her short and geeky, but honorable, chem partner?</p>
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		<title>By: Arya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 07:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,

I hope I&#039;m not reviving this episode too long after its death, but I only recently decided to put my reading addiction to good use and started listening to the writing excuses podcasts last night.  I just have a little bit to add from another female perspective.  

First off, I would say that M has it right, but that it works the other way around as as well.

&quot;Either [women] are too confident or not confident enough, too pushy or not assertive enough, too clingy or not emotionally connected to the [man]...&quot;  and men can either be too cool or try to hard, be so obvious that it comes across as creepy or seem uninterested.  And we really don&#039;t want to see either creepy or uninterested. 

I think a lot of women, even the more confident, really fear rejection.  We may be terrifying, but we&#039;re also afraid!  Which may be why so many of us over-analyze the touch that might have just been an accidental bump but I&#039;m really not sure it could have meant he likes me but maybe not I just don&#039;t know!  And there is much gnashing of teeth.  (This is why other female friends are important - to bolster our self-confidence and give a second &#039;outsider&#039; analysis to keep us from losing our minds.)  Okay, so that&#039;s how it was in high school.  As adults we tend to at least try to act a little more mature about it, though the thoughts and insecurities don&#039;t change.  Of course I think this sort of goes for any relationship.  After a job interview, you&#039;re going to wonder about how it went, and what the boss&#039;s reactions mean.  It&#039;s just that much harder in the beginning of  a romantic relationship partly because it is so much more personal, but also because you&#039;re trying harder to be liked for a longer period of time.  

I have to stop, because my train of thought has long ago derailed and my writing will follow if I let it.  These are great podcasts, guys!  Not only interesting, but highly entertaining.  I&#039;m looking forward to more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>I hope I&#8217;m not reviving this episode too long after its death, but I only recently decided to put my reading addiction to good use and started listening to the writing excuses podcasts last night.  I just have a little bit to add from another female perspective.  </p>
<p>First off, I would say that M has it right, but that it works the other way around as as well.</p>
<p>&#8220;Either [women] are too confident or not confident enough, too pushy or not assertive enough, too clingy or not emotionally connected to the [man]&#8230;&#8221;  and men can either be too cool or try to hard, be so obvious that it comes across as creepy or seem uninterested.  And we really don&#8217;t want to see either creepy or uninterested. </p>
<p>I think a lot of women, even the more confident, really fear rejection.  We may be terrifying, but we&#8217;re also afraid!  Which may be why so many of us over-analyze the touch that might have just been an accidental bump but I&#8217;m really not sure it could have meant he likes me but maybe not I just don&#8217;t know!  And there is much gnashing of teeth.  (This is why other female friends are important &#8211; to bolster our self-confidence and give a second &#8216;outsider&#8217; analysis to keep us from losing our minds.)  Okay, so that&#8217;s how it was in high school.  As adults we tend to at least try to act a little more mature about it, though the thoughts and insecurities don&#8217;t change.  Of course I think this sort of goes for any relationship.  After a job interview, you&#8217;re going to wonder about how it went, and what the boss&#8217;s reactions mean.  It&#8217;s just that much harder in the beginning of  a romantic relationship partly because it is so much more personal, but also because you&#8217;re trying harder to be liked for a longer period of time.  </p>
<p>I have to stop, because my train of thought has long ago derailed and my writing will follow if I let it.  These are great podcasts, guys!  Not only interesting, but highly entertaining.  I&#8217;m looking forward to more.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Barker</title>
		<link>http://www.writingexcuses.com/2008/12/07/writing-excuses-season-2-episode-9-romance-with-dave-wolverton/comment-page-2/#comment-25734</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Barker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 01:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More or less a transcript (I left out some of the &quot;you knows&quot;)

http://mbarker.livejournal.com/96426.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More or less a transcript (I left out some of the &#8220;you knows&#8221;)</p>
<p><a href="http://mbarker.livejournal.com/96426.html" rel="nofollow">http://mbarker.livejournal.com/96426.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kelly in PHX</title>
		<link>http://www.writingexcuses.com/2008/12/07/writing-excuses-season-2-episode-9-romance-with-dave-wolverton/comment-page-2/#comment-24329</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly in PHX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How interesting! Against the culture?  To a romantic sap like myself, that is such a foreign idea that I&#039;d have to read it just to see how it is explained!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How interesting! Against the culture?  To a romantic sap like myself, that is such a foreign idea that I&#8217;d have to read it just to see how it is explained!</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://www.writingexcuses.com/2008/12/07/writing-excuses-season-2-episode-9-romance-with-dave-wolverton/comment-page-2/#comment-24192</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In terms of romance like &quot;Romance period&quot; then no Kelly there isn&#039;t a way to not include basic human thoughts and desires and still tell a compelling story. What I was saying is that my particular story (or at least the POV characters) have no room for love. It goes against both their culture and personal goals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In terms of romance like &#8220;Romance period&#8221; then no Kelly there isn&#8217;t a way to not include basic human thoughts and desires and still tell a compelling story. What I was saying is that my particular story (or at least the POV characters) have no room for love. It goes against both their culture and personal goals.</p>
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		<title>By: Jame</title>
		<link>http://www.writingexcuses.com/2008/12/07/writing-excuses-season-2-episode-9-romance-with-dave-wolverton/comment-page-2/#comment-24187</link>
		<dc:creator>Jame</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like Jake is using my philosophy. If it isn&#039;t in character, then don&#039;t put it in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like Jake is using my philosophy. If it isn&#8217;t in character, then don&#8217;t put it in.</p>
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		<title>By: WEKM</title>
		<link>http://www.writingexcuses.com/2008/12/07/writing-excuses-season-2-episode-9-romance-with-dave-wolverton/comment-page-2/#comment-24133</link>
		<dc:creator>WEKM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 02:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Jake. I am taking a machine gun to everyone in my story and then I am just going to write some nice zombie schlock.
The only love in it will be that for BRAAAAAAAAINS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Jake. I am taking a machine gun to everyone in my story and then I am just going to write some nice zombie schlock.<br />
The only love in it will be that for BRAAAAAAAAINS.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly in PHX</title>
		<link>http://www.writingexcuses.com/2008/12/07/writing-excuses-season-2-episode-9-romance-with-dave-wolverton/comment-page-2/#comment-24088</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly in PHX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jake, I can understand your frustration..

I was thinking more on this and I don&#039;t think there&#039;s a way to &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; write a romance of sorts into the book.  Go with me on this for a sec :)

I think that in every book, there are passions.. Something that your drives your character, motivates them, makes them want to be better than they ever thought they could.  In a romance novel, its the love interest.  In a fantasy novel, it might be a love interest or a sense of nobility.  In a horror novel, the passion might be the need to kill, to possess, to inflict horror, to inflict pain..etc...  (obviously, in the sense of horror, being a better person in their eyes would not be the same as being a better person in our eyes, but they don&#039;t know that!)

The point is that what ever your character&#039;s passion is, it has to be written well.  In the case of a romantic element, it has to be done particularly well because the other character needs to be just as credible as your main character.

I wouldn&#039;t want someone to read this whole thread and lose an element that might enhance the story they are working with.  Write your character&#039;s passion well, and you&#039;ll have gotten what you needed to out of this whole thread  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jake, I can understand your frustration..</p>
<p>I was thinking more on this and I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s a way to <i>not</i> write a romance of sorts into the book.  Go with me on this for a sec <img src='http://www.writingexcuses.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I think that in every book, there are passions.. Something that your drives your character, motivates them, makes them want to be better than they ever thought they could.  In a romance novel, its the love interest.  In a fantasy novel, it might be a love interest or a sense of nobility.  In a horror novel, the passion might be the need to kill, to possess, to inflict horror, to inflict pain..etc&#8230;  (obviously, in the sense of horror, being a better person in their eyes would not be the same as being a better person in our eyes, but they don&#8217;t know that!)</p>
<p>The point is that what ever your character&#8217;s passion is, it has to be written well.  In the case of a romantic element, it has to be done particularly well because the other character needs to be just as credible as your main character.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t want someone to read this whole thread and lose an element that might enhance the story they are working with.  Write your character&#8217;s passion well, and you&#8217;ll have gotten what you needed to out of this whole thread  <img src='http://www.writingexcuses.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://www.writingexcuses.com/2008/12/07/writing-excuses-season-2-episode-9-romance-with-dave-wolverton/comment-page-2/#comment-24086</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, after following these comments the past week I can say with confidence that I have no interest in writing romance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, after following these comments the past week I can say with confidence that I have no interest in writing romance.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruthann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruthann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it comes down to this: don&#039;t write a love interest for the sole purpose of being a love interest, and also don&#039;t put two characters together for the sole purpose of having romance in the story. They each need to be fully rounded individual characters, and they also need to be a good match, not just a convenient one. (I mean convenient in terms of building a story, not in terms of actually getting together - because as everyone already said, where&#039;s the story in that?) It seems like this falls under the heading of making sure that the characters are driving the story instead of the other way around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it comes down to this: don&#8217;t write a love interest for the sole purpose of being a love interest, and also don&#8217;t put two characters together for the sole purpose of having romance in the story. They each need to be fully rounded individual characters, and they also need to be a good match, not just a convenient one. (I mean convenient in terms of building a story, not in terms of actually getting together &#8211; because as everyone already said, where&#8217;s the story in that?) It seems like this falls under the heading of making sure that the characters are driving the story instead of the other way around.</p>
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