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	<title>Comments on: Writing Excuses Season 2 Episode 6: Endings</title>
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		<title>By: A Conversation With A Character &#171; Neither Here nor There&#8230;.</title>
		<link>http://www.writingexcuses.com/2008/11/16/writing-excuses-season-2-episode-6-endings/comment-page-1/#comment-36064</link>
		<dc:creator>A Conversation With A Character &#171; Neither Here nor There&#8230;.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 13:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] they gone this far, their smart enough to figure it out on their own. Besides, always leave them wanting more, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: WEKM</title>
		<link>http://www.writingexcuses.com/2008/11/16/writing-excuses-season-2-episode-6-endings/comment-page-1/#comment-21559</link>
		<dc:creator>WEKM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M; I am just trying to make Dan feel loved, sick twisted horror writer that he is.

I think my ending may have slipped into a fourth field now. I think I am just going to have to see where it ends up. The more I write, the less I know where this is going. I have already decided that a scene that was to be at the end after the whole climax is now going to be near the beginning. 
Now how am I going to wrap things up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M; I am just trying to make Dan feel loved, sick twisted horror writer that he is.</p>
<p>I think my ending may have slipped into a fourth field now. I think I am just going to have to see where it ends up. The more I write, the less I know where this is going. I have already decided that a scene that was to be at the end after the whole climax is now going to be near the beginning.<br />
Now how am I going to wrap things up?</p>
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		<title>By: John Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.writingexcuses.com/2008/11/16/writing-excuses-season-2-episode-6-endings/comment-page-1/#comment-21500</link>
		<dc:creator>John Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M,

Note that both Stephen King and Dean Koontz start with a situation and then write forward from that point, not knowing what the ending or journey will be. Others find it easier to have some  general points mapped out, maybe just an idea of the ending. Others, like Jeffery Deaver, find they need extreme detail before they can begin to write scenes.

However, if you think about it, these folks aren&#039;t doing different things.  They&#039;re both discovering/generating story. It&#039;s just that one set finds they&#039;re more productive doing it with an outline, in summary first. The other finds it more effective for them to do it immediately in scene. I&#039;ve found it useful to look at the task as inventing story, not writing vs. outlining. Those are just two tools. 

So there isn&#039;t a best way. Only the most efficient and effective way or tool for you. So knowing the end may NOT be necessary for you.

I&#039;ve found that I work best if I do some of my story discovery/generation in outline first. I use a step sheet--bullets of the plot steps I see. Maybe no more than a few pages that I update and revise as I go. Sometimes the step sheet has bullets for scenes all the way to the end. Sometimes it just shows me the next half-dozen to dozen steps in detail and vague ideas after that.  Many people eschew outlines, thinking they&#039;re contraining. But they&#039;re only contraining if you think they&#039;re set in stone. I find both tools useful in discovering my story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M,</p>
<p>Note that both Stephen King and Dean Koontz start with a situation and then write forward from that point, not knowing what the ending or journey will be. Others find it easier to have some  general points mapped out, maybe just an idea of the ending. Others, like Jeffery Deaver, find they need extreme detail before they can begin to write scenes.</p>
<p>However, if you think about it, these folks aren&#8217;t doing different things.  They&#8217;re both discovering/generating story. It&#8217;s just that one set finds they&#8217;re more productive doing it with an outline, in summary first. The other finds it more effective for them to do it immediately in scene. I&#8217;ve found it useful to look at the task as inventing story, not writing vs. outlining. Those are just two tools. </p>
<p>So there isn&#8217;t a best way. Only the most efficient and effective way or tool for you. So knowing the end may NOT be necessary for you.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found that I work best if I do some of my story discovery/generation in outline first. I use a step sheet&#8211;bullets of the plot steps I see. Maybe no more than a few pages that I update and revise as I go. Sometimes the step sheet has bullets for scenes all the way to the end. Sometimes it just shows me the next half-dozen to dozen steps in detail and vague ideas after that.  Many people eschew outlines, thinking they&#8217;re contraining. But they&#8217;re only contraining if you think they&#8217;re set in stone. I find both tools useful in discovering my story.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Barker</title>
		<link>http://www.writingexcuses.com/2008/11/16/writing-excuses-season-2-episode-6-endings/comment-page-1/#comment-21413</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Barker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A transcript 

http://mbarker.livejournal.com/94106.html</description>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I listened to this again today and was reminded of something when they were talking about the ending of &lt;i&gt;The Lord Of The Rings&lt;/i&gt; and how it turned the rule on its ear.  One of my all time favorite endings (it&#039;s a movie, not a book, but I think the rules still apply) is &lt;i&gt;Rocky&lt;/i&gt;.  Under the usual cliche of sports movies, Rocky is a scrappy underdog who has just fought a brilliant battle.  By convention, he should win.  He doesn&#039;t.  He loses the fight, but it&#039;s still a happy ending because he stayed true to himself and he got the girl to boot.  Like with &lt;i&gt;LOTR&lt;/i&gt;, I love the fact that it defied convention but the ending stayed true to the story and the characters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I listened to this again today and was reminded of something when they were talking about the ending of <i>The Lord Of The Rings</i> and how it turned the rule on its ear.  One of my all time favorite endings (it&#8217;s a movie, not a book, but I think the rules still apply) is <i>Rocky</i>.  Under the usual cliche of sports movies, Rocky is a scrappy underdog who has just fought a brilliant battle.  By convention, he should win.  He doesn&#8217;t.  He loses the fight, but it&#8217;s still a happy ending because he stayed true to himself and he got the girl to boot.  Like with <i>LOTR</i>, I love the fact that it defied convention but the ending stayed true to the story and the characters.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 04:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as good endings and bad endings go, the ending to Snow Crash felt a little flat to me, like it just stopped instead of actually ending.  The Hero of Ages, on the other hand, had an awesome ending that felt like it properly wrapped up the series.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as good endings and bad endings go, the ending to Snow Crash felt a little flat to me, like it just stopped instead of actually ending.  The Hero of Ages, on the other hand, had an awesome ending that felt like it properly wrapped up the series.</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
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		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Sam and Raethe, I feel much better...but after listening to WEKM&#039;s bloodlust...I&#039;m not sure I am as comfortable a I should be! : )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Sam and Raethe, I feel much better&#8230;but after listening to WEKM&#8217;s bloodlust&#8230;I&#8217;m not sure I am as comfortable a I should be! : )</p>
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		<title>By: Raethe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raethe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M - Sam&#039;s analogy works pretty well. There&#039;s another one by some famous person who may or may not have been Ezra Pound (I hope I&#039;m remembering that wrong, cause I&#039;d hate to agree with anything Ezra Pound said) is that writing is like driving at night - you know where you&#039;re going, but you can only see as far as the headlights in front of you.

That seems to me to be the sort of approach you&#039;re talking about, and no, there&#039;s nothing wrong with it. It&#039;s not going to work for everyone, but as long as it works for you, who cares?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M &#8211; Sam&#8217;s analogy works pretty well. There&#8217;s another one by some famous person who may or may not have been Ezra Pound (I hope I&#8217;m remembering that wrong, cause I&#8217;d hate to agree with anything Ezra Pound said) is that writing is like driving at night &#8211; you know where you&#8217;re going, but you can only see as far as the headlights in front of you.</p>
<p>That seems to me to be the sort of approach you&#8217;re talking about, and no, there&#8217;s nothing wrong with it. It&#8217;s not going to work for everyone, but as long as it works for you, who cares?</p>
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		<title>By: WEKM</title>
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		<dc:creator>WEKM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 05:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DAN! Get out of my head! 
It&#039;s not a happy place right now and I don&#039;t need you waking up the sleeping demons.

Oddly enough, I already have three different endings for the current story I&#039;m working on, All three of them required totally separate outlines to work. I am going with one that is oddly the blend of the other two less the other characters that were necessary for either one to work.

However, Dan, I feel like I should throw you into the mix, just so I can have the bad guy kill you off in a completely pointless way that has no bearing on anything. Yes, a nice senseless brutal death, with much torture and screaming. Mmmmmmm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DAN! Get out of my head!<br />
It&#8217;s not a happy place right now and I don&#8217;t need you waking up the sleeping demons.</p>
<p>Oddly enough, I already have three different endings for the current story I&#8217;m working on, All three of them required totally separate outlines to work. I am going with one that is oddly the blend of the other two less the other characters that were necessary for either one to work.</p>
<p>However, Dan, I feel like I should throw you into the mix, just so I can have the bad guy kill you off in a completely pointless way that has no bearing on anything. Yes, a nice senseless brutal death, with much torture and screaming. Mmmmmmm</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ M

Sounds like you&#039;re describing the same thing I did.  Like I said, I have a basic idea of how my story is going to end and a couple of checkpoints--act endings, I guess you could call them.  I&#039;m trying to guide the plot there but if it wants to noodle on the way I let it.  I don&#039;t think it&#039;s bad planning.  That&#039;s what discovery writing is supposed to be about I think.  I compare it to going for a drive.  You&#039;re going to end up at the mall eventually but first you&#039;re going to drive around and look at some pretty fall scenery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ M</p>
<p>Sounds like you&#8217;re describing the same thing I did.  Like I said, I have a basic idea of how my story is going to end and a couple of checkpoints&#8211;act endings, I guess you could call them.  I&#8217;m trying to guide the plot there but if it wants to noodle on the way I let it.  I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s bad planning.  That&#8217;s what discovery writing is supposed to be about I think.  I compare it to going for a drive.  You&#8217;re going to end up at the mall eventually but first you&#8217;re going to drive around and look at some pretty fall scenery.</p>
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