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	<title>Comments on: Writing Excuses Episode 18: Q&amp;A at Conduit</title>
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		<title>By: André</title>
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		<dc:creator>André</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jan 2011 16:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know I&#039;m several years late, here, but I just found the podcast a couple weeks ago and now I&#039;m going back and listening to th archives...

On naming - the best way I have found to name characters is this site: http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/babynames/index.html It&#039;s a list of the most popular baby names from any year after 1879. I select a date, choose &quot;Top 1000 Names&quot; then scroll down to the very bottom where the more &quot;exotic&quot; names will be and go through until I find one I like. It&#039;s the best naming tool I&#039;ve ever found. ^_^</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I&#8217;m several years late, here, but I just found the podcast a couple weeks ago and now I&#8217;m going back and listening to th archives&#8230;</p>
<p>On naming &#8211; the best way I have found to name characters is this site: <a href="http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/babynames/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/babynames/index.html</a> It&#8217;s a list of the most popular baby names from any year after 1879. I select a date, choose &#8220;Top 1000 Names&#8221; then scroll down to the very bottom where the more &#8220;exotic&#8221; names will be and go through until I find one I like. It&#8217;s the best naming tool I&#8217;ve ever found. ^_^</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
		<link>http://www.writingexcuses.com/2008/06/08/writing-excuses-episode-18-qa-at-conduit/comment-page-1/#comment-35863</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 06:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I&#039;m a little late to this party, but I&#039;m combing through the archives and the practice of finding character names from the spam filter is the most exciting idea I&#039;ve run across since edible paste.  I write sci-fi and I have had the hardest time coming up with stock names for peripheral characters.

I shall want for names no longer.

Woot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I&#8217;m a little late to this party, but I&#8217;m combing through the archives and the practice of finding character names from the spam filter is the most exciting idea I&#8217;ve run across since edible paste.  I write sci-fi and I have had the hardest time coming up with stock names for peripheral characters.</p>
<p>I shall want for names no longer.</p>
<p>Woot!</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 18:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having read Orson Scott Card&#039;s rules for naming conventions, I cannot stress highly enough the need for PRONOUNCEABLE character names.  If you are an aspiring writer, nothing says &quot;amateur&quot; to me as a reader like character names that are overly complicated or have funny punctuation mixed in with the letters.  As a writer and world builder, it is fun to come up with new, exciting looking names and languages.  I think a lot of young writers forget (or never learned) that spoken language came first and then came the writing system, so the reader has to be able to say out loud anything you write.  I cannot pronounce an apostrophe.  

I think Howard gets away with it for some of his alien characters because those characters are seldom major characters, and also because comics are a mixture of art and words.  Even when I say &quot;Hey, there&#039;s that H guy with the apostrophes!&quot; he still remains a unique, recognizable character because of the art.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having read Orson Scott Card&#8217;s rules for naming conventions, I cannot stress highly enough the need for PRONOUNCEABLE character names.  If you are an aspiring writer, nothing says &#8220;amateur&#8221; to me as a reader like character names that are overly complicated or have funny punctuation mixed in with the letters.  As a writer and world builder, it is fun to come up with new, exciting looking names and languages.  I think a lot of young writers forget (or never learned) that spoken language came first and then came the writing system, so the reader has to be able to say out loud anything you write.  I cannot pronounce an apostrophe.  </p>
<p>I think Howard gets away with it for some of his alien characters because those characters are seldom major characters, and also because comics are a mixture of art and words.  Even when I say &#8220;Hey, there&#8217;s that H guy with the apostrophes!&#8221; he still remains a unique, recognizable character because of the art.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I see your point.  A little commen sense goes a long way.

As for rules like these, well, as an art I think we have the freedom to really make whatever changes we see fit.  Granted, we work with a different canvas but for all that I think we have a tremendous amount of leeway.  More so than someone who would be writing to the rules strait out of an English book.  

That said, I have never seen anything that says we have to do anything a certain way.  David Eddings hardly ever used just &quot;said&quot;, and it sometimes worked (usually in the same book even) and at times it didn&#039;t.  Could be a question of style; and we all have to find our own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I see your point.  A little commen sense goes a long way.</p>
<p>As for rules like these, well, as an art I think we have the freedom to really make whatever changes we see fit.  Granted, we work with a different canvas but for all that I think we have a tremendous amount of leeway.  More so than someone who would be writing to the rules strait out of an English book.  </p>
<p>That said, I have never seen anything that says we have to do anything a certain way.  David Eddings hardly ever used just &#8220;said&#8221;, and it sometimes worked (usually in the same book even) and at times it didn&#8217;t.  Could be a question of style; and we all have to find our own.</p>
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		<title>By: Andreas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andreas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most people do use the same &#039;voice&#039; in most situations, but everyone speaks differently. To pull an example from popular culture, look at the classic trio of Star Trek: Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. If you were to write about them, would you only have them &quot;say&quot; something, or would you feel compelled to use different attributive phrases for each character? Okay, I admit, with well-known characters like these you might actually get away with &quot;said&quot;, as your target audience would just know how these people speak. But attributions can (in my opinion) be a valuable shortcut to inform the reader about a character&#039;s tone of voice without going into a lengthy description of it. Everyone has their own way of speaking, and &quot;said&quot; alone doesn&#039;t tell anything about it.

The real key seems to me not to overindulge in &quot;zany attributions&quot;, but not shy away from them either.  One potential problem is that if you write thirty pages with only &quot;said&quot; and then have someone &quot;grumble&quot; or &quot;tease&quot;, that sudden change in attributive phrases will stand out even more than the words themselves warrant. The more you establish a pattern, the more your reader will notice it when you break said pattern. 

But perhaps I just feel very strongly about this because I&#039;ve seen some rather ridiculous examples of writers sticking to only &quot;said&quot; in each and every situation. Just look at something like this (an example I just made up, but not far from what I actually read):

&quot;How was your day?&quot; Bob said.

It&#039;s a question. Questions aren&#039;t said they are asked!What&#039;s wrong with &#039;Bob asked&#039;? Stuff like that makes me want to pull my hair out and bash my head against the nearest wall. I&#039;ve seen too many aspiring writers who stick to advice as if it was a mantra that they never developed their own unique voices. That&#039;s why I often argue in favor of breaking the &quot;rules&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most people do use the same &#8216;voice&#8217; in most situations, but everyone speaks differently. To pull an example from popular culture, look at the classic trio of Star Trek: Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. If you were to write about them, would you only have them &#8220;say&#8221; something, or would you feel compelled to use different attributive phrases for each character? Okay, I admit, with well-known characters like these you might actually get away with &#8220;said&#8221;, as your target audience would just know how these people speak. But attributions can (in my opinion) be a valuable shortcut to inform the reader about a character&#8217;s tone of voice without going into a lengthy description of it. Everyone has their own way of speaking, and &#8220;said&#8221; alone doesn&#8217;t tell anything about it.</p>
<p>The real key seems to me not to overindulge in &#8220;zany attributions&#8221;, but not shy away from them either.  One potential problem is that if you write thirty pages with only &#8220;said&#8221; and then have someone &#8220;grumble&#8221; or &#8220;tease&#8221;, that sudden change in attributive phrases will stand out even more than the words themselves warrant. The more you establish a pattern, the more your reader will notice it when you break said pattern. </p>
<p>But perhaps I just feel very strongly about this because I&#8217;ve seen some rather ridiculous examples of writers sticking to only &#8220;said&#8221; in each and every situation. Just look at something like this (an example I just made up, but not far from what I actually read):</p>
<p>&#8220;How was your day?&#8221; Bob said.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a question. Questions aren&#8217;t said they are asked!What&#8217;s wrong with &#8216;Bob asked&#8217;? Stuff like that makes me want to pull my hair out and bash my head against the nearest wall. I&#8217;ve seen too many aspiring writers who stick to advice as if it was a mantra that they never developed their own unique voices. That&#8217;s why I often argue in favor of breaking the &#8220;rules&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andreas:

I tend to agree with everything thats been said.  And in coming up with a solution; the guideline I&#039;ve decided to use, are my coversations.  In any given conversation, I&#039;ve found, we generally only &quot;speak&quot; in one way.  It&#039;s only in certain situations do we really put attributions/inflections on the way we talk to each other.  I would also like to thank everyone for their advice.  It&#039;s been hard to find GOOD constructive critisim.  Lots of people have opinions but rarely is it done in a positive manner.  Thank you once again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andreas:</p>
<p>I tend to agree with everything thats been said.  And in coming up with a solution; the guideline I&#8217;ve decided to use, are my coversations.  In any given conversation, I&#8217;ve found, we generally only &#8220;speak&#8221; in one way.  It&#8217;s only in certain situations do we really put attributions/inflections on the way we talk to each other.  I would also like to thank everyone for their advice.  It&#8217;s been hard to find GOOD constructive critisim.  Lots of people have opinions but rarely is it done in a positive manner.  Thank you once again.</p>
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		<title>By: Andreas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andreas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 09:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what Dan says here is certainly correct. &quot;Said&quot; is one of the most invisible attributions, but I believe there is also a middle ground between &quot;said&quot; and (e.g.) &quot;enthused&quot;. (asked, questioned, stated,...)

Now, don&#039;t get me wrong, I am no professional writer and I only speak for myself, so I am not claiming any authority here, but... to me it seems there is a certain &quot;gray zone&quot; between invisible attributions and attributions that jump at a reader. A realm of words that stand out, but don&#039;t stand out enough to distract from the story. As Dan said, overusing fancy words might be a pretty bad idea, but I think too often prospective writers are told to avoid fancy attributives at any cost, which might not be such a good idea either.

&quot;Said&quot; is the safest choice you get, but if a certain character really wants to chime, enthuse, murmur, or grumble, why not let them do it? If that is what they want to do, let them do it. Using it constantly might be a really bad idea, but I think once in a while you can get away with a fancy attribution - especially if it tells something about a certain character.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what Dan says here is certainly correct. &#8220;Said&#8221; is one of the most invisible attributions, but I believe there is also a middle ground between &#8220;said&#8221; and (e.g.) &#8220;enthused&#8221;. (asked, questioned, stated,&#8230;)</p>
<p>Now, don&#8217;t get me wrong, I am no professional writer and I only speak for myself, so I am not claiming any authority here, but&#8230; to me it seems there is a certain &#8220;gray zone&#8221; between invisible attributions and attributions that jump at a reader. A realm of words that stand out, but don&#8217;t stand out enough to distract from the story. As Dan said, overusing fancy words might be a pretty bad idea, but I think too often prospective writers are told to avoid fancy attributives at any cost, which might not be such a good idea either.</p>
<p>&#8220;Said&#8221; is the safest choice you get, but if a certain character really wants to chime, enthuse, murmur, or grumble, why not let them do it? If that is what they want to do, let them do it. Using it constantly might be a really bad idea, but I think once in a while you can get away with a fancy attribution &#8211; especially if it tells something about a certain character.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Wells</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me step in here to temper this advice just a little bit. Don&#039;t go overboard with zany dialogue attributions--a few of them can be good, but too many &quot;shouteds&quot; and &quot;chimeds&quot; and &quot;crieds&quot; can very quickly become too much and distract from the dialogue itself, which is what you&#039;re trying to convey in the first place. &quot;Said&quot; is a great word because your mind edits it out as you read, so your readers will know who&#039;s talking without really being aware of why they know. It blends into the background and lets the dialogue take center stage. If each of your attributions is something new and different, your readers will start to trip on them because they become more noticeable than they need to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me step in here to temper this advice just a little bit. Don&#8217;t go overboard with zany dialogue attributions&#8211;a few of them can be good, but too many &#8220;shouteds&#8221; and &#8220;chimeds&#8221; and &#8220;crieds&#8221; can very quickly become too much and distract from the dialogue itself, which is what you&#8217;re trying to convey in the first place. &#8220;Said&#8221; is a great word because your mind edits it out as you read, so your readers will know who&#8217;s talking without really being aware of why they know. It blends into the background and lets the dialogue take center stage. If each of your attributions is something new and different, your readers will start to trip on them because they become more noticeable than they need to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I&#039;ve get the bug now!  I can&#039;t/won&#039;t stop, this new project has me way to keyed up.  But ya&#039;lls advice is good.  I just have to keep in mind that this is the &quot;first&quot; draft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I&#8217;ve get the bug now!  I can&#8217;t/won&#8217;t stop, this new project has me way to keyed up.  But ya&#8217;lls advice is good.  I just have to keep in mind that this is the &#8220;first&#8221; draft.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben: 

Writer, heal thyself! Pick up thy pen and write!!

Yes, technically only in the first couple of lines of the conversation should tags be used just to establish who is speaking, or if another speaker joins in. Otherwise, find creative tags that inform how the words are toned. 

&quot;Bob, old bean,&quot; Frank chimed, &quot;how are you?&quot;
&quot;Well...&quot; muttered Bob.
&quot;Zounds! This can&#039;t be good!!&quot;
&quot;Perhaps it&#039;s best you leave him be&quot; sneered Jody.

Never said &#039;said&#039; once. Um... at least not &#039;til just then...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben: </p>
<p>Writer, heal thyself! Pick up thy pen and write!!</p>
<p>Yes, technically only in the first couple of lines of the conversation should tags be used just to establish who is speaking, or if another speaker joins in. Otherwise, find creative tags that inform how the words are toned. </p>
<p>&#8220;Bob, old bean,&#8221; Frank chimed, &#8220;how are you?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Well&#8230;&#8221; muttered Bob.<br />
&#8220;Zounds! This can&#8217;t be good!!&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Perhaps it&#8217;s best you leave him be&#8221; sneered Jody.</p>
<p>Never said &#8216;said&#8217; once. Um&#8230; at least not &#8217;til just then&#8230;</p>
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