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	<title>Comments on: Writing Excuses Episode 8: Sci-Fi Genre</title>
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		<title>By: Burning</title>
		<link>http://www.writingexcuses.com/2008/03/30/writing-excuses-episode-8-sci-fi-genre/comment-page-1/#comment-2049</link>
		<dc:creator>Burning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 16:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These last two comments really help sum up what I love about this podcast.  It&#039;s a writing resource that makes me want to write.  Too many of the books I&#039;ve read or talks I&#039;ve attended have labeled all the writing mistakes with big DON&#039;Ts.  You guys do an excellent job of acknowledging the only way to learn to do something well is to first do it poorly.  Your advice  is less like a big list of roadblocks that I have to figure my way around before I start, and more like a set of signposts so I&#039;ll know where I am at various points along the way.

Thanks, guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These last two comments really help sum up what I love about this podcast.  It&#8217;s a writing resource that makes me want to write.  Too many of the books I&#8217;ve read or talks I&#8217;ve attended have labeled all the writing mistakes with big DON&#8217;Ts.  You guys do an excellent job of acknowledging the only way to learn to do something well is to first do it poorly.  Your advice  is less like a big list of roadblocks that I have to figure my way around before I start, and more like a set of signposts so I&#8217;ll know where I am at various points along the way.</p>
<p>Thanks, guys.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Tayler</title>
		<link>http://www.writingexcuses.com/2008/03/30/writing-excuses-episode-8-sci-fi-genre/comment-page-1/#comment-621</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard Tayler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 04:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ben: Read enough to whet your appetite for the genre. Dig in, and enjoy.

Now write the story you want to read. As Dan said, if it&#039;s been done before, and done better, well... you had some good practice. If it&#039;s been done before, but you&#039;re finally doing it the way it always SHOULD be done, hurray! And if it&#039;s NEVER been done before, congratulations. You thought up something new.

Don&#039;t let anything stop you from actually sitting down and WRITING, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ben: Read enough to whet your appetite for the genre. Dig in, and enjoy.</p>
<p>Now write the story you want to read. As Dan said, if it&#8217;s been done before, and done better, well&#8230; you had some good practice. If it&#8217;s been done before, but you&#8217;re finally doing it the way it always SHOULD be done, hurray! And if it&#8217;s NEVER been done before, congratulations. You thought up something new.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t let anything stop you from actually sitting down and WRITING, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Wells</title>
		<link>http://www.writingexcuses.com/2008/03/30/writing-excuses-episode-8-sci-fi-genre/comment-page-1/#comment-535</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben&#039;s question:
&quot;I’ve heard many times that if your going to write in a particular genre you should be well read in that genra. But when is enough, well, enough? When do you draw the line and just write? Should I “always” be afraid of being a cliche’? like corps-sickles?&quot;

There are two very good times to just accept the cliche and run with it: when you&#039;re a novice, and when you&#039;re a master. Novices are trying to learn and hone their craft more than anything else, so they don&#039;t need to worry about editors and readers who&#039;ve already read this story a million times. The reason we&#039;ve all read this story a million times is because everybody writes one, and there&#039;s no need for you to be different--you&#039;ve got to start somewhere. So write a corpsicle story, or a farmboy-becomes-king story, or whatever you want, because if that&#039;s the story that gets you writing then that&#039;s the story you need to write.

Once you become a Master, you can write about cliches because you have the skills and experience (and the trust of your readers) to do it right--to take it somewhere new. Yes, there are a million corpsicle stories, but that doesn&#039;t mean that the best possible corpsicle story has already been written. I believe that the artistic high points of our culture are all in the future--just because the past was great doesn&#039;t mean we can&#039;t do better if we really put our minds to it. If you have something really new and exciting to say, or a really good way to say it, then the presence of a cliche won&#039;t matter because you&#039;re presenting it in a new and exciting way.

So that leaves one huge group that should really steer away from cliches: the middle, which is where most professionals are. They don&#039;t really need to do a cliche story for practice, and they don&#039;t yet have the groundbreaking new take on it that will make it all new and fresh again.  The best way to know which group you&#039;re in is to write the story you want to write, and see how good it is when you&#039;re done--if you learned something valuable, good job and keep it up; if you&#039;re ready to move on to your own, original ideas, go for it; if you&#039;ve recontextualized an ancient trope with a brilliant new spin, it&#039;s very nice to meet you, Mr. Gaiman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben&#8217;s question:<br />
&#8220;I’ve heard many times that if your going to write in a particular genre you should be well read in that genra. But when is enough, well, enough? When do you draw the line and just write? Should I “always” be afraid of being a cliche’? like corps-sickles?&#8221;</p>
<p>There are two very good times to just accept the cliche and run with it: when you&#8217;re a novice, and when you&#8217;re a master. Novices are trying to learn and hone their craft more than anything else, so they don&#8217;t need to worry about editors and readers who&#8217;ve already read this story a million times. The reason we&#8217;ve all read this story a million times is because everybody writes one, and there&#8217;s no need for you to be different&#8211;you&#8217;ve got to start somewhere. So write a corpsicle story, or a farmboy-becomes-king story, or whatever you want, because if that&#8217;s the story that gets you writing then that&#8217;s the story you need to write.</p>
<p>Once you become a Master, you can write about cliches because you have the skills and experience (and the trust of your readers) to do it right&#8211;to take it somewhere new. Yes, there are a million corpsicle stories, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that the best possible corpsicle story has already been written. I believe that the artistic high points of our culture are all in the future&#8211;just because the past was great doesn&#8217;t mean we can&#8217;t do better if we really put our minds to it. If you have something really new and exciting to say, or a really good way to say it, then the presence of a cliche won&#8217;t matter because you&#8217;re presenting it in a new and exciting way.</p>
<p>So that leaves one huge group that should really steer away from cliches: the middle, which is where most professionals are. They don&#8217;t really need to do a cliche story for practice, and they don&#8217;t yet have the groundbreaking new take on it that will make it all new and fresh again.  The best way to know which group you&#8217;re in is to write the story you want to write, and see how good it is when you&#8217;re done&#8211;if you learned something valuable, good job and keep it up; if you&#8217;re ready to move on to your own, original ideas, go for it; if you&#8217;ve recontextualized an ancient trope with a brilliant new spin, it&#8217;s very nice to meet you, Mr. Gaiman.</p>
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		<title>By: B. E.</title>
		<link>http://www.writingexcuses.com/2008/03/30/writing-excuses-episode-8-sci-fi-genre/comment-page-1/#comment-531</link>
		<dc:creator>B. E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 13:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two comments. 

First comment: Could someone address Ben’s question. It is a question that I often stress over. 

Second comment: Brandon you made the comment on this podcast or at a lecture that if you can write the story with out magic or monsters then don’t force the story to be fantasy. Do you think the same rule applies to Sci-Fi? Do first time authors pack non-essential technology and Sci-Fi stuff into stories?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two comments. </p>
<p>First comment: Could someone address Ben’s question. It is a question that I often stress over. </p>
<p>Second comment: Brandon you made the comment on this podcast or at a lecture that if you can write the story with out magic or monsters then don’t force the story to be fantasy. Do you think the same rule applies to Sci-Fi? Do first time authors pack non-essential technology and Sci-Fi stuff into stories?</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle M.</title>
		<link>http://www.writingexcuses.com/2008/03/30/writing-excuses-episode-8-sci-fi-genre/comment-page-1/#comment-505</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 22:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Urban fantasy/horror set in a post-apocalyptic 22nd century?&quot;
That actually sounds like a really good idea, I might be stealing it. Not really, I&#039;m not one for writing SF, but I do enjoy reading it. This was a good podcast for any genre, not just SF and Fantasy, especially at the part on reading into the genre you&#039;re writing in. Usually, I&#039;ve found that once I stumble onto an idea, I think &quot;oh this is great!&quot; then I research it and found it&#039;s already been done before. Or I have an idea that&#039;s been told too many times and is now cliché in that particular genre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Urban fantasy/horror set in a post-apocalyptic 22nd century?&#8221;<br />
That actually sounds like a really good idea, I might be stealing it. Not really, I&#8217;m not one for writing SF, but I do enjoy reading it. This was a good podcast for any genre, not just SF and Fantasy, especially at the part on reading into the genre you&#8217;re writing in. Usually, I&#8217;ve found that once I stumble onto an idea, I think &#8220;oh this is great!&#8221; then I research it and found it&#8217;s already been done before. Or I have an idea that&#8217;s been told too many times and is now cliché in that particular genre.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Tayler</title>
		<link>http://www.writingexcuses.com/2008/03/30/writing-excuses-episode-8-sci-fi-genre/comment-page-1/#comment-464</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard Tayler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One point that we may not have made clear: if you&#039;re writing a story and you&#039;re not sure whether it&#039;s SF or Fantasy (or Horror, or Romance, or anything else) that&#039;s probably only a problem if the publisher can&#039;t figure out how to sell it.

Write the story you want to write. Let the critics, pundits, and retailers try to categorize it.

Urban fantasy/horror set in a post-apocalyptic 22nd century? I&#039;d probably call it &quot;soft SF,&quot; but that won&#039;t stop me from enjoying it if it happens to be a good story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One point that we may not have made clear: if you&#8217;re writing a story and you&#8217;re not sure whether it&#8217;s SF or Fantasy (or Horror, or Romance, or anything else) that&#8217;s probably only a problem if the publisher can&#8217;t figure out how to sell it.</p>
<p>Write the story you want to write. Let the critics, pundits, and retailers try to categorize it.</p>
<p>Urban fantasy/horror set in a post-apocalyptic 22nd century? I&#8217;d probably call it &#8220;soft SF,&#8221; but that won&#8217;t stop me from enjoying it if it happens to be a good story.</p>
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		<title>By: Mi'chelle</title>
		<link>http://www.writingexcuses.com/2008/03/30/writing-excuses-episode-8-sci-fi-genre/comment-page-1/#comment-450</link>
		<dc:creator>Mi'chelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 06:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed the explanation of the difference between Sci-fi and fantasy.  I had a teacher explain it to me once as &quot;in sci-fi there is usually technology we don&#039;t usually have, however in fantasy the technology has been replaced with magic.&quot;  Which works for some things, but not always (most of your uban fantasy have both.)  So I liked your explanation a lot better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed the explanation of the difference between Sci-fi and fantasy.  I had a teacher explain it to me once as &#8220;in sci-fi there is usually technology we don&#8217;t usually have, however in fantasy the technology has been replaced with magic.&#8221;  Which works for some things, but not always (most of your uban fantasy have both.)  So I liked your explanation a lot better.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivo</title>
		<link>http://www.writingexcuses.com/2008/03/30/writing-excuses-episode-8-sci-fi-genre/comment-page-1/#comment-447</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 02:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found the statement about sci-fi is about new things that are conceivably possible and fantasy about conceivably impossible very sage.

My favorite authors have been Niven and Lovecraft, which I&#039;m surprised no one mentioned Lovecraft as a bridge between magic and fantasy, in a horror setting of course. I&#039;ve only read a couple but I understand that the Elric of Melniboné series and others in that word setting follow this fantasy to sci fi to fantasy as the cycle of time progresses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found the statement about sci-fi is about new things that are conceivably possible and fantasy about conceivably impossible very sage.</p>
<p>My favorite authors have been Niven and Lovecraft, which I&#8217;m surprised no one mentioned Lovecraft as a bridge between magic and fantasy, in a horror setting of course. I&#8217;ve only read a couple but I understand that the Elric of Melniboné series and others in that word setting follow this fantasy to sci fi to fantasy as the cycle of time progresses.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Tayler</title>
		<link>http://www.writingexcuses.com/2008/03/30/writing-excuses-episode-8-sci-fi-genre/comment-page-1/#comment-446</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard Tayler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 02:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm... I&#039;ve got a John Ringo book here, Military Sci-Fi at its very finest, and there are trees on the cover.

Then again, maybe that book is the proverbial platypus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230; I&#8217;ve got a John Ringo book here, Military Sci-Fi at its very finest, and there are trees on the cover.</p>
<p>Then again, maybe that book is the proverbial platypus.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Wilson</title>
		<link>http://www.writingexcuses.com/2008/03/30/writing-excuses-episode-8-sci-fi-genre/comment-page-1/#comment-439</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Orson Scott Card said that the difference between Science Fiction and Fantasy is that Fantasy has trees on the cover.

I think it was in his reccent audio books of Ender&#039;s Game and Ender&#039;s Shadow...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Orson Scott Card said that the difference between Science Fiction and Fantasy is that Fantasy has trees on the cover.</p>
<p>I think it was in his reccent audio books of Ender&#8217;s Game and Ender&#8217;s Shadow&#8230;</p>
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